It takes probably a few minutes, but I reckon there are a very few number of people who actually say what is useful. But does there need to be a top down strategy for the whole country? And maybe I’d say that for someone listening if they wanted to get involved, it’s reminding your politician whether that be your MP or whether that be your your councillor, especially with… There are local elections coming up, I believe, next year. Obviously, they’re the top of the food chain in terms of politics, even though it’s local authorities that largely own these. Whether we need to take that to parliament ultimately. I think the fact that if we start we’re starting to talk in groups more and bring influencers together is a start. I’m not sure yet how exactly that happens. It’s… All of us, we’re all very passionate about public toilets and having toilet access. And we’re going to start coming together. So we started doing this work with my colleagues at Cistermiser and we’ve been meeting other groups and charities like the British Toilet Association. But they all, I feel, do it a little bit isolated. But there are lots of councils in the UK and it’s very easy because of the fragmented ownership of toilets, our fragmented opinions, you know, there are lots of different charities who want and need and fight for more public toilets. Every council says, oh, you know, we’ve got to keep them going, but, you know, there’s costs and whatnot. We started to work together on how we can solve this kind of issue, because I feel from what I’ve learned doing Lockdown Loo is fragmentation of ownership and talking about the issue of public toilets is probably one of the biggest reasons why they fall away, because we all have an opinion about them. And through this, we’ve partnered with a company called Cistermiser. I feel I’ve been on a baptism of fire with this journey. So I was getting texts saying no throne at Buckingham Palace and things like that. And my brother, he’s the younger brother so he had to do a lot of the grunt work, which at the beginning was cycling around London, visiting toilets to see whether they were open or not, which was… And I was back at base, I guess, logging the bogs as they were coming in. The next morning, almost within an hour, we set up a website and a map and just went with the how hard can this be sort of approach. And I think we both were just sort of sat on the sofa afterwards thinking there’s got to be a better way. So in the end we had to run all the way across what felt like most of west London in order to use our toilet at home. There are far too many people also enjoying the sun. And I guess certainly I think a lot of younger men would normally pop behind a bush or something, but that was out of the out of the question there. And a few drinks later in the heat and suddenly the urge to go to the loo arrived and there was nowhere to go. And we were at a park near Hammersmith and we went probably a little bit too far away from home and didn’t really think about needing to go to the toilet. And myself and my brother Charlie were two such people doing this. But a lot of pubs and restaurants were still closed. Everyone was in the first lockdown, staying at home, and when the government started to ease the restrictions, the hot weather started coming our way and people could start meeting in parks again in groups of six outside.
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